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So You Think You're Smart? Take 3

Time for another problem.

Anne and Betty set out on a trip. On their return, Betty's mother asked her, "Who drove?"

"Well," replied Betty, "on the way there, Ann drove the first 40 miles and I drove the rest."

"And you reversed that on the way home?" asked Betty's mom.

"Well, we drove the same route home, but Anne drove the first part of the trip, then I drove the last 50 miles."

"Why, that's not fair," Betty's mom said. "You too should have shared the driving equally. Instead, you drove farther."

Now, Betty's mom didn't know where the two girls went, so how could she have known they didn't drive the same amount? And (according to Betty's mom) she even knew how much farther Betty had driven.

How's that possible?

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Marc's Gravatar I think the total trip length is 100 miles.

on the way there, ann drove 40 miles and betty drove 60

On the return trip, they both drove 50 miles.

Using the "first part" reference in the description of the trip home, I take that to mean that the trip was two equal parts of 50 miles.

Betty drove 10 more miles than Ann.

and "too" should be "two" in Betty's mom's reply about sharing equally ;)
# Posted By Marc | 1/23/09 12:54 PM
Marc's Gravatar correction... betty drove 20 miles more than ann...
# Posted By Marc | 1/23/09 12:55 PM
Marc's Gravatar my last logic sucked, bad. Take 2:

We know the trip is at LEAST 51 miles because the most than any one person drove was 50, and it can be reasonably assumed that the other person drove at least SOME mileage, minimum of 1 mile.

This would yield (incorrect) math as follows:

Departure:

Ann drove 40, Betty drove 11 = 51

Return:

Ann drove 11, Betty drove 50 = 61 (!)

So the actual trip is DEFINITELY 61 miles, and the correct math is:

Departure:

Ann drove 40, Betty drove 21

Return:

Ann drove 11, betty drove 50

Total Mileage per person, round trip:

Ann: 51
Betty: 61

Expressed in some sort of crappy algebra (at which I suck):

y = total trip, one way

40 + x = y
x + 50 = y

I don't know how to find the solution formula other than the logic I presented above, but I'm sure there's an equation that properly finishes it.
# Posted By Marc | 1/23/09 1:17 PM
DRew's Gravatar x is how far Betty drove
y is how far Ann drove

x+40 = y+50, since the distance there and back is the same.
x = y+10, subtract forty from both sides.

How far Betty drove is always ten miles more than how far Ann drove.
# Posted By DRew | 1/23/09 2:06 PM
Ed Tabara's Gravatar First way Ann drove <strong>40</strong> miles, Beth <strong>X</strong> miles and te total was <strong>Y</strong>. So, <strong>40 + X = Y</strong>.<br>
Then, Ann dove <strong>Z</strong>, while Beth <strong>50</strong> miles and the total was same <strong>Y</strong>. So, <strong>Z + 50 = Y</strong>.<br>
So we know Ann drove: <strong>40 + Z</strong>, Beth drove <strong>X + 50</strong>.<br>
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From the first 2 equations we have: <strong>40 + X = Z + 50</strong>. This way, <strong>X = Z + 10</strong>.<br>
As result we have:<br>
Ann: <strong>40 + Z</strong><br>
Beth <strong>X + 50 = Z + 10 + 50 = 60 + Z</strong><br>
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This way we know Beth drove more by <strong>20</strong> miles.<br>
# Posted By Ed Tabara | 1/23/09 2:07 PM
Ed Tabara's Gravatar AH! the tags didn't work, so here it's again:

First way Ann drove 40 miles, Beth X miles and te total was Y. So, 40 + X = Y.
Then, Ann dove Z, while Beth 50 miles and the total was same Y. So, Z + 50 = Y.
So we know Ann drove: 40 + Z, Beth drove X + 50.

From the first 2 equations we have: 40 + X = Z + 50. This way, X = Z + 10.
As result we have:
Ann: 40 + Z
Beth X + 50 = Z + 10 + 50 = 60 + Z

This way we know Beth drove more by 20 miles.
# Posted By Ed Tabara | 1/23/09 2:09 PM
Fred Anderson's Gravatar Well, I may be over simplifying the word play. But here goes.
Mom: Who Drove (assumes the entire trip).
Ann drove 40. at which point betty drove the remainder of the trip.
so she drove 50.
40 + 50 = 90
45 miles each way.
Sorry to be so short with my answer but I did not want to get beat to the punch. :)
# Posted By Fred Anderson | 1/23/09 3:19 PM
Daryl Banttari's Gravatar Mom LoJacked the car.


Duh.
# Posted By Daryl Banttari | 1/23/09 3:52 PM
BobW's Gravatar I have to agree with DRew: 40+B=A+50 -> B=A+10 -> Betty drives 10 miles more than Anne, whatever the total distance may be!
# Posted By BobW | 1/23/09 4:40 PM
Marc's Gravatar "And (according to Betty's mom) she even knew how much farther Betty had driven. "

In which case, I still think my claim that the distance from point a to point b is 61 miles... it could be more, but that would have to be the minimum, right?
# Posted By Marc | 1/23/09 5:38 PM
Marc's Gravatar scratch that, i misinterpreted... betty's mom knows how much FARTHER betty had driven. 10 miles. For whatever reason I thought that it was asking us to find the total distance. I need more of these puzzles so my brain doesn't fry like this.
# Posted By Marc | 1/23/09 5:40 PM
Steph's Gravatar Agreed, no matter what the distance, Betty unfairly drove 10 more miles than her slacking travel partner.

40 + Betty = Anne + 50
Betty = Anne + 10

Done.
# Posted By Steph | 1/23/09 5:48 PM
Ed Tabara's Gravatar guys... you calculate there only the difference between the unknown parts of the "road", and not the distances each of the girls drove :)
I still state Betty drove 20 miles more than Ann. Am i the only one here thinking so? hehe
# Posted By Ed Tabara | 1/23/09 6:26 PM
Marc's Gravatar @Ed -- no matter how far it was from point a to point b, after driving the round trip distance, betty drove a total of ten miles more than ann. Given the information provided, there's no real way to tell what the TOTAL number of miles driven was -- you can only extrapolate how much further Betty drove than Ann. The formulas everyone came up with above are populated against the round-trip data provided by the problem question text. No matter what numbers you plug in, Betty ends up driving 10 miles more than Ann. Using the MINIMUM one-way distance of 61 miles, I came up with 10 miles, but you can plug in any other number (so long as the one-way distance ends up equal) and you'll still get 10 miles difference.
# Posted By Marc | 1/23/09 6:55 PM
Ed Tabara's Gravatar @Marc - you sure? ;)
here is an example. The distance between points A and B is 100 miles. Then one way Ann made 40 miles, Betty - 60 miles. When coming back, because the 100 miles distance, they both drove by 50 miles. This way, we have Ann making 40+50=90 miles. Betty made 60+50=110 miles.
110 miles - 90 miles = 20 miles.
Betty drove 20 miles more than Ann.
Questions? :D
# Posted By Ed Tabara | 1/23/09 8:01 PM
ike's Gravatar If it's the same route in both directions, then the center point of the route will be at exactly the same distance for each quadrant of the trip. So you can tell by the fact that the quadrants are different distances (40 vs 50) that they weren't evenly divided. Further if you take any particular distance and divide it in half, if you then move the dividing line in any given direction, it both removes distance from one side and adds distance to the other because the total distance doesn't change. So for each mile removed from any quadrant, one mile is added to another. So because we know Anne's 40 and we can compare it to Betty's 50, we know that there's a difference of 10 miles between those quadrants, which means that Betty drove 20 miles further than Anne (which would be easier to demonstrate on a white-board). If they hadn't taken the same route in both directions, there would be no way to know. ;)
# Posted By ike | 1/23/09 8:05 PM
Ed Tabara's Gravatar yeap! just i made it with simple mathematics by equations as shown in my first post.
# Posted By Ed Tabara | 1/23/09 8:13 PM
Christopher Bradford's Gravatar Drew is right.
# Posted By Christopher Bradford | 1/23/09 8:16 PM
Steve Judd's Gravatar Actually, Ed is right. Drew is right that Betty drove 10 miles more on the unknown portion of the road, but you have to add in the 10 miles that we know about (50-40) also.

Therefore, Betty drove 20 miles more than Ann.
# Posted By Steve Judd | 1/23/09 8:29 PM
Marc's Gravatar I stand corrected (or rather, pushed back to the logic that gave me my answer at 12:55 today).

All it takes is a couple proof narratives:

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If total distance round trip = 61, then:

A to B, Anne drives 40, Betty drives 21.
B to A, Anne drives 11, and Betty drives 50.

Total distance driven by Anne = 40 + 11 = 51
Total distance driven by Betty = 21 + 51 = 71

A difference of 20 miles.

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If total distance round trip = 584, then:

A to B, Anne drives 40, Betty drives 544.
B to A, Anne drives 534 and Betty drives 50.

Total distance driven by Anne = 40 + 534 = 574
Total distance driven by Betty = 544 + 50 = 594

Again, a difference of 20 miles

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You can plug in any number and the answer is still 20 miles difference. Betty's anal-retentive mom is correct -- Betty drove more, by a mere 20 miles, no matter if they went to the next city or across the country.
# Posted By Marc | 1/23/09 9:24 PM
David's Gravatar Typo: "You too should have shared ..."

wait, that doesn't make me smart, that makes me a smartypants. Never mind.
# Posted By David | 1/26/09 7:18 PM
 
   
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