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So You Think You're Smart? Take 4

Ah, yes. Time for another puzzler.

An evil magician has enslaved your true love. You, of course, come riding to the rescue. "Forsooth, evil magician," you say. "Release my true love."

"Yeah, well maybe not," he replies (evil magicians being predominately male and all). "But I'll tell you what. Are you feeling lucky?"

"Luck?" you say. "What need have I of luck when I am filled with virtue?"

"OK, Virtuous One. Here's the deal: you see these three cups that magically appeared in front of you? Well, one of them is poisonous, the other two are samples from my private stock of excellent wines. Pick the right one and your true love will go free."

Alas, there's no telltale smell or any other distinguishing characteristics. Drawing on your inner integrity, you bravely choose one and start to drink it.

"Not so fast, Skippy," the evil magician says. "I like your spunkiness. I'm gonna do you a favor." And with that, he picks up one of the glasses and drinks it down. "There, you now know that one of these drinks was non-poisonous. And, if you want, I'll even let you switch glasses now that you know that the glass I just drank was non-poisonous."

And now, it's up to you. Should you tell him...

A. "Thou fool and wretched fiend. What availeth it me if I switch unless by some trickery thou hast changed glasses?!" (Which he didn't do -- I know because I was watching).

B. "Hah! Thou didst not know, but that thou gavest me key information. I shall switch my choice to the other cup."

C. "Hah! Knowing thy wickedness, and that thou must surely attempt to mislead me, I shall surely stay with my original choice!"

Comments
Will Belden's Gravatar Can someone say "Let's Make a Deal", there Monty Hall?
# Posted By Will Belden | 1/29/09 10:18 PM
Ed Tabara's Gravatar C. "Hah! Knowing thy wickedness, and that thou must surely attempt to mislead me, I shall surely stay with my original choice!"
Similar example was given i believe in the "21" movie by Kevin Spacey. But even without that the answer is same by simple Theory of Probability :)
# Posted By Ed Tabara | 1/29/09 10:39 PM
dave powell's Gravatar You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...
# Posted By dave powell | 1/29/09 11:15 PM
jason olmsted's Gravatar Gotta go with B as my odds as you did give me new, key information - thanks!

The odds that it is the other glass is now 2/3.
# Posted By jason olmsted | 1/30/09 12:12 AM
Justin Scott's Gravatar Given the situation it doesn't really matter that the meanie drank one. With no evidence to back up your choice, it will be random regardless of what the odds are of choosing the poison. The fact that you are presented with the opportunity to change your mind is pretty much meaningless from a statistical standpoint. Since I am a rational, "all things being equal" kind of guy, I choose option A.
# Posted By Justin Scott | 1/30/09 1:11 AM
Jason Dean's Gravatar Most people who recognize the Monty Hall Problem will guess the answer is B. Because statistically speaking, your odds of having chosen the wrong glass to start with (2 in 3) are higher than if you change your mind after (1 in 3, there are still 3 glasses but since you've been told about 1, there is only 1 wrong choice), but for the statistics to play out and demonstrate the idea behind the Monty Hall problem (That your odds are better if you change your option), the experiment would need to be repeated over and over again.

However, in this case, it is life or death. The experiment will only be performed once. So it, is in my thinking, truly still down to chance. There are two glasses left, and by sticking with your glass, you are just as likely to have chose correctly as not. 50/50.

Again, if you were to repeat the experiment over and over again, then you would always be better off changing your answer after one poison glass is revealed. So I am guessing the answer you are looking for is B, but in this case, I believe that that answer is incorrect.

Perhaps there is a statistician in the room that can explain it in a way where it applies to a single experiment, because I don;t see how it would. But since I am not a statistician, I could very well be wrong.
# Posted By Jason Dean | 1/30/09 2:13 AM
Brad Wood's Gravatar I would continue drinking the glass in my hand. But of course, with the gratuitous old English and clever Shakespearian
turn of phrases and all. Here's why: First of all, you state that you had already begun drinking from one of the cups. It it were
poison, you would surely be dead already. Additionally, if you were already drinking from the poisoned galss the evil magician would not have stopped you, but
allowed you continue on in your follow and meet your certain fate. The only motive the evil magician would have for stopping you would be in an attempt
to change your mind since you were about to outwit him. Since he drank from one of the glasses, he has eliminated that one
from your equation, and that leaves the glass on the table being the one obviously with the poison. That, and
something about a land war in Asia...
# Posted By Brad Wood | 1/30/09 2:18 AM
Ezra Parker's Gravatar Although a couple of answers identified this as a variant of the Monty Hall Problem, neither accounted for the fact that it is an *inverted* example.

In the classic version, there is one "good" choice, but in this case there is one "bad" choice, so the probabilities are reversed. Therefore, there is a 2/3 chance that the original choice is safe, and only a 1/3 chance of prevailing by switching.

That all said, the behavior of the magician is a key factor, and this probability would only hold true if he is bound to follow a certain set of rules, most notably that he must offer the choice to switch regardless of whether the initial choice was poisoned or not.

As this is an "evil" magician, there would be no logical reason for him to offer an opportunity to switch if the poisoned glass was chosen, so this would lead me to conclude that the glass I chose was safe, and that the remaining glass contains the poison.

In other words, what Brad and Ed said. And if all else fails, I have of course spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder.
# Posted By Ezra Parker | 1/30/09 4:33 AM
Jason Dean's Gravatar @Ezra,

Wow. I didn't even notice the reversal. I was hung up on the Monty Hall stuff and did not even realize that I was mixing it up in my head. Good catch, very clever.

I too now agree that The Princess Bride is the answer to all of life's mysteries. I should just stick to trying to find rhymes for the things people say.
# Posted By Jason Dean | 1/30/09 10:13 AM
Ben Nadel's Gravatar @Dave,

Inconceivable!
# Posted By Ben Nadel | 1/30/09 11:46 AM
jason olmsted's Gravatar If we are sticking with the Princess Bride, then wouldn't the evil magician know that I know that he is evil and that he is only offering the switch because he knows that I know that he would only offer the choice to switch because he knows I would know that he would only do that if he knew I had chosen the safe cup? So he knows I would keep drinking from the poison cup even given the chance to switch, thus adding to the evil joy of it all. But since I'm not from Australia, and hence not known to be a criminal, and therefore who knows if I am used to being trusted or not, I guess all bets are off.

@jason dean ... statistics can never say with certainty the outcome of a single experiment; it only describes chance over a set. Even if the odds are 99:1, you can just as easily pick the 1 in any given trial. And I didn't see the reversal either ... damn damn damn.
# Posted By jason olmsted | 1/31/09 12:29 AM
Brian Swartzfager's Gravatar How 'bout option D: smite this sorry excuse for an evil wizard and be done with it. :)
# Posted By Brian Swartzfager | 1/31/09 2:32 PM
Ryan Miller's Gravatar Wait. What is the "right" one? If there are/were three glasses and only one had poison - is this the "right" one the magician is referring to? As if you drink the poison one, it is the right one for the magician as then he no longer has to deal with you.

Or, perhaps the magician realizes that "your true love" is not the a girl, but yourself and therefore by drinking the poison (again the magician's "right" one), he will be releasing "your true love" (ie, your death).
# Posted By Ryan Miller | 1/31/09 3:55 PM
 
   
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